Jacks Antweights

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

Hey all, quick and dirty thread to catalogue my ants

The back catalogue:

Stagnant: my Ti 4WD wej/2WD fork asymmetrical pusher.

Bucktooth: Basically Stagnant but even boring-er. Came 2nd at an aws one time.

Thundershovel: my first ant - dustpan flipper. Drove like ass.

Luchador Jnr: My suplexy boi

Divebomb: my 4wd hammer saw

Earlier iteration of Divebomb: sacked off the conventional saw as managing current vs torque etc was more work than just bonking with KE. Also experimented with sprung forks before discovering what an awful idea that is at 150g

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

And my new (as of yet) unnamed drum bot:

Felt in a bit of a rut with antweights as most my bots are pretty samey - theyre very competitive but essentially the same chassis + different weapons. Decided to do something wildly different.

HDPE billet chassis, giant cambered foamies, big Ti drum. Still dialing this lad in, but really digging it so far

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

So after GetGot! My ant drum bent a motor shaft in testing and then another one at its debut event at orcs2 - I decided it needed something a bit more sturdy than a 2mm motor shaft for that big ole Ti drum to spin on.

So I got to thinking and with changing the Ti drum out of the question I figured the only real option was to look at altering the motor.

After stripping the motor and popping the bearings out I realised that the bearing cups were exactly 5 mm and between them the aluminum flange was a fair bit under 4mm. I rummaged in my parts box and found some old m4/5mm shoulder bolts and a loose plan began to formulate

I tapped the aluminum ridge with m4 threads and threaded the shoulder bolt in until the shaft sat snug in the bearing cup. All seemed solid and concentric/straight!

Happy with how the shoulder bolt fitted I proceeded to epoxy the threads and first millimeter of the shaft and refit it. I then packed out the rear bearing cup with epoxy around the threaded portion of the shoulder bolt and once set I then cut down the shaft

Once this was done I the cut the magnet ring off the bell of the motor

I then designed and printed a spacer to fill the space within the weapon that the motor bell would have occupied and to contain some bearings. And press fitted this along with the mag ring back into the weapon and reassembled.

And voila! GetGot!'s drum is now running on a 5mm stainless steel deadshaft/hub motor set up.

5mm is a bit overkill, but what made sense for the fabrication. Stainless isn’t the best, a hardened steel would have been nicer but should be more than adequate for 150g.

This did put the robot a little over weight (it was 149.5g with the stock motor set up) - so lots of small weight loss tweaks were required. Shortening bolts, trimming excess everywhere I could find. I even attacked the insides of the lid pretty aggressively

But all these tweaks paid off and it’s actually marginally lighter now than before!

I’m really happy with how this process worked out, doing small technical changes was really fun and I’m hopeful this should eliminate the biggest flaw in the robot

It spins up just fine, exactly like it did before - but I’ve yet to get any real impact testing done with it tho

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

So ran the drum at BBB Xmas boat party and had some weapon failures.

The motor get pretty darn hot - not a huge surprise when asking so much of the wee 1404 - and this heat allows the printed parts to deform. This then allows things to go out of alignment which causes more heat and it all gets very sad.

So I’ve learnt how to lathe and remade all the printed parts in alluminium with some help from Dr brushless himself Gareth Barnaby.

New alluminium bearing spacers

New alluminium conical spacer to stop the bearings touching the stator

Fingers crossed this should make the assembly much stronger, more robust and most importantly more heat resistant

[hhills (Harry Hills)]

So the motor is getting hot enough to warp the chassis? Pretty nuts though that is a big ask from the motor like you say.

Taking great steps to bolster reliability for sure. I know I found it a right pain trying to get a shim washer to adequately space off the motor (and not crush windings) in my drum.

Weapon is also pretty spotless. You had many weapon to weapon hits with it?

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

Hey harry, probably bad explaining on my part.

Chassis doesn’t get warped - however the first attempt at the hub motor included a printed piece inserted into the drum to hold the bearings. This piece warped a little when the motor got hot - not a huge surprise as it was only printed in pla.

Weapon has seen a couple of weapon on weapon hits at ORCS but overall the drum hasn’t seen too much action really. One proper event with the original press fit/stock motor and just a some testing and a couple of fights at BBB Xmas party with the first iteration of the hub motor.

Tbh the printed version would probably have ran fine in the sensible throttle controlling hands of a sober jack - after a few ciders tho? - that throttle was getting sent to 100 all the time

I even set up a “full send” momentary switch on the TX. While held it overrides the throttle and forward channels to 120% - which more often than not just backflips the robot

I’ve been wanting to learn the lathe at the workshop for a while tho and this seemed like an ideal opportunity

[hhills (Harry Hills)]

That makes sense, I follow you now.

Picked something nice and fiddly for your first go, looking good though. Once you start having turning skills in your arsenal you suddenly find you’ll be constantly modifying and making little widgets that make your life so much easier.

The full send feature is hillarious, I love it.

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

I love the CNC for rattling off beetle chassis etc, but the lathe is very satisfying in a more direct turning knobs and seeing things happen kinda way.

Excited at the potential of custom turned shafts etc that it opens up too.

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

So I’ve been doing some stuff with ants recently so a wee update.

First off I competed in my first BBB pub ant event in bloody ages at the last one. Great vibes as always and was thrilled that GetGot my drum took first place in the full combat and Luchador Jnr along with the amazing ant version of Forkhead took first in the 2v2s! A brilliant result and a great day

GetGot ran flawlessly for the whole day (well apart from loosing a wheel at one point, but press fit printed hubs will do that over time)

Luchador worked great but is very tired. It’s poly wedge is very battered and riding very high off the ground in places which made wining exchanges a bit more tricky than it should have been.

I’ve kind of lost my dedication to ants a bit and frankly can’t be bothered to fabricate fresh static poly wedges on the reg so I figure it’s time for an easier to maintain update for Luchador Jnr. And here’s what I’ve come up with:

Printed TPU ground game should make keeping things fresh much less hassle.

I’m also working on something new that I’m hoping to debut at mini MITE…

Undoubtedly the dumbest bot I’ve tried to build to date it’s a ringspinner huge-like with cambered wheels! I think GetGot has broken my brain a bit about wheels - I keep cadding sensible robots and then a little voice in the back of my head whispers… “It’d look cooler with wonky wheels”

Anyway some ant things I’m doing. Hope y’all dig it

[morgan_ls (Morgan Larner-Smith)]

thats insane and i love it. i like the flanged pulleys holding the ring on ill be interested to see how they hold up to a horizontal hit

and yes, weirdly angled wheels are superior in every way, better handing in the turns ofc

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

I know if its getting called insane by you morgan that it must be !

Honestly, I would not expect a weapon on weapon hit against a horizontal to end well. Maybe the ring gets ejected from the pulleys/rollers due to them failing, maybe the skeletal 2mm CF chassis just explodes - who knows, will be fun up to the point it detonates tho I hope

[morgan_ls (Morgan Larner-Smith)]

haha thanks, i think

yeah thats fair, just dont face em ez.

cant wait to see it do its thing!

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

deffo intended as a compliment Morgan, your bots are

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

And here is the updated Luchador Jnr in the flesh.

Drew up a custom face/Luchador mask decal for the wedge and got it printed onto a reverse adhesive sticker so it’s stuck to the underside of the poly. Should hopefully keep it from getting too banged up

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

So this thing is built and as ready as it’s gonna be for mini MITE.

Miraculously it came in nearly 5g underweight so I decided to use those precious last few grams to swap the 600rpm n10s out for some 200rpm n20s in the vain hope of making half way driveable

[Phoenix (Phoenix Will)]

Holy hell this thing looks nuts! I find your building style really cool and can’t wait to see whatever you are gonna call it pulverise some plastic

[James_Draper]

never even remotely seen a robot look like this before, super original

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

Thanks for the kind words both!

Currently its registered for MITE under the name of “Some Dumb Spinny Thing” - but while that is accurate - its very much a placeholder as I registered before it was built and wasnt sure exactly what I would be entering

[Jack (Jack Franklin)]

Anatomy of Luchador Jnr.

Was swapping out some drive train bits and thought it was a cool pic

[McMullet (Sam Roberts)]

Niice! That looks so professional.