Rob's Build Log - Antweight Spring Powered Flipper

Summary

My attempt to try and make an antweight, there’s going to be lots of going round in circles.

This is my first attempt at building a combat robot, and I’m planning to use this as a log for build updates and to ask questions along the way. While I’m fairly comfortable with the CAD side of things, but the electronics are uncharted territory, so we’ll see how it goes…

I kicked things off by buying a bunch of stuff, mostly based on the antweight kit from the BBB shop, and basically straightaway fried a ESC (thanks again for the help with that, Joe). After some trial and error, here’s where I ended up:

I wanted to keep things simple at first, just to get a feel for how to drive something like this and how all the components come together. I was going to finish this but I keep pulling the electronics out to test things.

After a bit of research I decided the goal was to build a flipper. After a bit Googling, I came across this Snail Cam mechanism that looked promising, but I didn’t want to buy more parts. So, I decided to try the “Servo Latch” mechanism instead:

Before fully committing to this, I wanted to build a test to see if it would work in practice.

There’s still a lot to figure out. For one, I’m not entirely sure why I put the servo on that side—it’s adding a level of complexity I probably don’t need. I also need to work out the servo’s range of motion to figure out where to place the pins to get the most energy out of the mechanism.The elastic mounting could definitely use some improvements; it’s bending more than I’d like. I might need to add some bracing somewhere, we’ll see, but it’s time to try and combine them.

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My original goal was to have this finished by the new year, but that didn’t quite work out.

I didn’t have a plan when I started so I’ve changed mind quite a bit with this and there was quite a lot of re-designing and re-printing. I also broke a server which didn’t help progress.

Eventually ended up refining the mechanism to this -

And then I changed my mind and made it rear wheel drive. Although if I’m honest might still swap it back as I think it looked cooler the other way. The setup on the latch mechanism changed a bit and we ended up here.

I’ve got lots of videos of this mechanism.

There’s not a huge range of motion on the flipper arm but it is quite quick and seems to do the job fairly well. I’m only using 2 springs at the moment because I’m slightly concerned about breaking another servo but I think that this could probably be increased, the frame is strong enough limiting factor is probably the servo.

My issue at the moment is weight…

Currently we’re sitting at 187g which isn’t ideal, especially as I’m still missing a few bits

I’m using a piece of cardboard as the base and there’s obviously no lid.I did still want to add a front plate wedge thing, although I’m also kind of tempted to swap the forks at the front for a bucket as I think it looks a bit like a bulldozer which is kind of fun.

Any suggestions for material for that would be appreciated.

Currently it breaks down to:

Printed Frame - 75g
The walls of the frame are 3mm thick in most places and It’s all PLA, open to alternatives. Interestingly the slicer only calculates this to 60 grams.

Hardware (springs, rods and fixtures) ~25g
There’s 4 rods, and 4 springs although the weight of the springs is negligible
I think the rods could be halved so quite a good potential saving

Electronics including the battery - 87g
The wires could definitely be trimmed down and I’m still using the connectors on the receiver. Although I am putting this off a little as I’m not 100% confident in my soldering skills.

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This is hugely ambitious for your first ant’s weapon but you’re doing an amazing job with the mechanisms so keep it up, great stuff very cool to see!

Frame sounds quite heavy to me? but you’ve got more moving parts than most bots. PLA-ST is quite popular for full combat btw.

Electronics wise - every chunk of wire you shorten tends to take off a gram or so. Switching the dual ESC & receiver for a malenki will gain you back even more.

You could get a few grams by drilling holes in the chassis, like Razer did, but only a few. A shuffler/walker would be a nightmare for a first timer. In other words, you’re kind of stuck. A redesign may be needed. May I also ask where you plan on sending this little gadget? It’s a nice design!

That’s a sweet looking bot! It’d be great to see it compete

As Joe said, shortening the wires will save a decent bit of weight, or swapping to a Malenki

75g seems incredibly heavy for an ant chassis, especially when yours isn’t that large. What infill, perimeters and top/bottom layer counts are you using? You can probably cut a decent bit of weight there. 20% infill, 3 perimeters and 5 top/bottom layers is normal for an ant, and I’ve got away with lower.
Using ABS would also reduce the weight by about 15%, and make the chassis slightly tougher

You could probably also use thinner rods. They look like 3mm to me - using 2mm should still be strong enough and would halve the weight

Thank guys. Really appreciate the help.

I couldn’t find the original print settings for the chassis but counting the lines on the first layer I think we had 6 walls/perimeters.

I did a couple of test prints today to see how things stacked up. Good news is the slicer (Bambu) weight estimate matches my cheap kitchen scales close enough to be reliable.

On my test piece dropping from 6 walls down to 2 saves 6 grams or about 40% (give or take depending on the geometry) with a 3mm wall on the chassis; anything over 3 walls is basically solid anyway. I also played around with removing top and bottom layers which seems a little drastic but is a very substantial weight saver, worth considering if I get really desperate.

If I reduce down to 2 walls across the entire chassis we could potentially get down to 45 grams, which would still puts me 7 grams over, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction.

PLA-ST looks interesting. I’ve also seen TPU suggested elsewhere as an option. Sadly I don’t really have the printing setup for ABS.

Well spotted Jed, I am using 3mm stainless steel rods which, aside from proving quite difficult to cut, are also a good chunk of the weight in themself. Looked into this today and there seems to be quite a few options. 2mm stainless seems like a good shout. I also saw carbon fibre rods which peaked my interest.

Seriously considering swapping to a Malenki, I did also think a shuffler could be fun but maybe for my next bot.

I’m based in Cardiff. I’ve not seen a huge amount that’s still active locally, but the plan is to try to get down to Bristol for the next ant event.

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Beautiful mechanism! I like how the chassis looks a bit like a spinner-less Jackpot too. With regards to front or rear wheel drive, you might find it easier to get the forks under opponents with the centre of rotation further forwards, but I’m not exactly an experienced driver so recommend flipping some cardboard boxes on your kitchen floor for the final verdict.

When it comes to filament, I’ve been playing with 74D shore TPU recently and I really like it. I got a reel for about £30 on Amazon, it’s a good middle ground between your regular soft flexible TPU and something like nylon or ABS. Yet to see how it holds up in combat but it’s useful enough that I’ve already run out.

Great stuff! I love a spring mechanism, every time someone posts one I think I’ll get around to working on my own!
Looks really effective as a flipper, look forward to seeing it in the arena!

Firstly, really cool build so far, looking forward to seeing where it goes.
Secondly, great to see another builder based in Cardiff!! The uni guys have been talking about a proper ant arena for a while now so we might have a local event sooner than you think. in the meantime I’d happily print you some bits in more exotic materials if you wanted

Absolutely awesome, I love that you are pushing yourself with your first build.

I too am a fan of building orange robots that are too heavy…

losing the weight I have a few ideas:

How are you going to fight the robot? if you only intend on fighting non spinners you can probably strip even more out of the frame until its barebones. If you are fighting spinners that’s a completely different story…

Do you need the rolling wheels at the front? could you ground scrape instead?

Could you get away with one flipping arm?

At ant weight you could replace your metal fasteners for nylon ones.

Could you replace the two springs with one lighter one with he same equivalent force? or use a bungee?

Smaller battery pack?

Strip back the casing on the servo?

I hope at least one of those helps :sweat_smile:

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