SLICE Admiral Kathryn M CHAINway

It’s a whole EIGHT DAYS before Northdown Havoc so I’m feelng well ahead of the game by starting this log now. The genesis of this idea came from a) seeing Chain B*stard at the Beetle Brawl last year and b) my only-semi-deliberate acquisition of an electric chainsaw. All I needed then was an appropriate Star Trek themed name (to go with Ensign Wedgeley Crusher and Captain Jean-Luc Pick-hard) and the unloved younger sibling of the Next Gen era came to the rescue.

Aaaanyway, the chainsaw I obtained is mains-powered, so I have obtained a Cheap… I mean, SURPass 5055 outrunner to power it, and then it’s all the regular drill motors and whatnot.

Here’s some lovely CAD:

The drill motors direct drive the rear wheels, with an HTD5 belt to the front. Front and rear are the same wheels, but flipped around to give the front a wider track.

Proof of movement being last weekend, I had a rolling chassis up and running at approximately midnight after getting back at 7PM from a wedding in south Wales.

However, there’s still plenty to do. The main vertical bits were machined properly last week, but today I cut the baseplate and front bulkhead, by lasercutting an MDF template and then cutting around it with bandsaws, sanders, routers and so on.

To keep things interesting I did a bit more CNC machining and also some good ol’ manual milling too:

So far nothing is disastrously out of bed, tomorrow is another day in the Hackspace and I’m hoping to get the saw assembly built. Cheers for reading and stay tuned!

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Sadly time once more got the better of me with this build. :frowning: However, much fun was still had at BEVs and I did get the Slice Admiral running, albeit sans chainsaw for now.

The next stage after where I left the last post was adding more bits to the chassis:

In order to be able to use the saw effectively, I wanted to make this big scoopy area at the from and this mean the length-wise frame is four pieces on each side, front/read and inner/outer. I am quite please with the way it all fits together.

One of the completely arbitrary decisions I made was to use the same printed part for the front and rear wheels. I guess maybe so I would need fewer spares? Anyway this ensured that both were badly designed for their application. The front wheel runs on an M8 bolt and some bits of aluminium tube, plus a 3D printed spacer that I realised I needed later on and had to glue in place, thus making the “same wheels front and back” thing not work anyway.

The front wheels are idlers and look like this inside:


There’s a spring washer on the end to keep the whole thing together, and the caphead bolt goes all the way through the 15mm HDPE, with a few extra washers.

There are also some spacers for the bit of M10 stud that hold the rest of the outer front/wheelguard bit on, plus some rather aggressive tensioners that were a bit last minute:

The eagle eyed may note that there is a distinct lack of belt here. This is because the “tensioner” (a bunch of 10 and 12 mm bearings) was way too close to the pulley and got jammed up, causing the whole shebang to jam up (event report to follow).

The rear wheels were just glued to some threaded inserts that I originally got for the first ever build of Ensign Wedgeley Crusher, to bodge some scooter wheels onto Argos drills. Sadly gluing them to TPU with Araldite didn’t do the required thing, maybe due to the TPU flexing, maybe the dubious decision to use 5 minute epoxy. Maybe because it was a fundamentally bad idea?

Still, for the first couple of minute Chainway drove like an absolute beast, until the hubs mostly came loose from the wheels. I was quite pleased with my first go at casting urethane tyres:

Need to work on my mould designs a bit but I can see how this is habit forming…

That takes us roughly up to the weekend before BEVs. I had a few things to finish at home and at the Hackspace during that week, followed by a Friday morning for last minute tweaks. Due to time taken on wiring and bits and bobs for the other robots, I hadn’t made loads of progress with the saw. The idea I got to was to use the original drive for the saw and connect the outrunner to it via an HTD5 pulley. I had a worm motor to actuate the saw with a beetle ESC to power it (amusingly I didn’t realise until about 11pm on Thursday that I had an older ESC without the limit switches…).

This is what I had sketched out:


The drive pulley was tapped and fitted to the prop shaft that came with the motor. I was an absolute mare to get a tap through but I got there eventually. There’s a 10mm bearing sandwiched in there to take most of the side loads (the back end of the motor would have needed supporting too of course), and the driven pulley is just bolted into the original gear from the saw.

This is where I got to on the day at BEVs:

Between driving/maintaining other robots, entertaining my friend’s small kids and drinking cider I decided to call it a day here. It was a really good prototyping experience though, and I’m super excited to finish it off for the next BEVs event. Just got to not get too distracted by trying to make everything perfect and spangly…

That’s all for now, SAW you later ahahahah

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Evening all! Just a quick update on Chainway, since it’s way past teatime, but here’s where we are.

Firstly, MOVEMENT. I had a bit of a time of it at the last BEVs event with dubious wheel issues, slipping belts and nasty motor noises. I have now machined some nice aluminum wheel hubs and fitted them to some modified wheels, with some 770mm belts. This is all going much more smoothly, although what I thought was a slipping clutch in one motor sounds like something much more sinister.

Nice new hub:

Properly tensioned belt!

Plus, it does drive:

She can also heck up a strawberry plant.

I have also made more progress on the saw. Despite the CNC at the Hackspace being its usual eccentric self, I have an effective mount for the saw bar now:

Some stuff to do still but the most concerning part was interfacing with the saw itself and that looks pretty decent. I am also ridiculously happy with my last-minute keyed clamshell housing and how well it fits together:

There’s still plenty to go at with this but I’m happy with the CAD for the saw now, nothing too fancy is required.

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Updates! I now have all the critical bits of the saw assembly machined and fitted after a pretty relaxed and productive weekend of hackage.

Assembly stage 1 (this is where I’m able to fit and correctly tension the chain):

Assembly stage 2 (fitting the pulley that controls the bar movement):

I’ve got a couple of bits to CAD and 3D print this week but other than that it’s just odd bits of soldering and manual cutting/drilling/etc.

More to come in the coming days…

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It articulates! that’s even cooler than I was expecting.
How do you think the saw will deal with HDPE?

It is certainly intended to articulate! :smiley:
Based on experience of various saws in HDPE I suspect it will eat it up pretty effectively, but hopefully that’ll become clear in a couple of days…

So as of Wednesday she was pretty much finished:


Everything in here was functionally done, just some final bits to fit together and solder up. Naturally, this proved to be more time consuming than hoped. All the little jobs mount up and of course they’re never quite as straightforward as you expect (the difference between theory and practice is small in theory, but large in practice).

One of the things that went wrong straight away was the ESC for the actuator motor:


I soldered in wires for the limit switches and put connectors on, and it proceeded to instantly go up in smoke when I plugged it in. Not sure if this was heat damage or a dodgy board, but I didn’t have a spare so had to engage in emergency pre-event “have u got a…” whatsapping with @moop. Fortunately he did so that was on my list for Friday night in the AirBnB.

Other jobs to do were just basic stuff like lids and screwing stuff together. One of the things I wanted was to be able to install/remove the whole saw assembly as a module, rather than assembling it in situ, so I put in some little ally plates to hold it all together. This worked pretty well although wrangling the spaghetti of the wiring loom out of the way was a pain.

This is where I got to on Thursday night c.11PM:

We set off fairly early for Bristol on Friday (complicated logistical reasons) so got to our digs around 3. By 9:30 it looked like this:


We made quite a mess given that both robots were essentially finished. All I really had to add was a cover for the saw (serving as a locking bar/sharp protection, in addition to the chain that stops it moving), plus a bit of soldering and some extra sheets of thin HDPE over the dubious PLA-ST covers for the two big pulleys.

BEVs

It sounds like everything was finished in time I somehow managed to have some stuff left to do when we arrived at the LHG taproom. It’s all a blur now but I am certain I didn’t go straight to tech check despite arriving at 1130 or thereabouts. Anyways, I did make tech check and passed, then popped her into the arena for the first ever spin up of the saw:

This was quite terrifying, as I’ve never actually made a really dangerous robot before. But also fun. Makes a good noise. Brrrrrr.

Fight 1 - 3-way melee, Pizza Time and Uplift

A massive axe is exactly what I didn’t want to be hitting that flimsy chainsaw early days, so that was a scary prospect. Pizza time took some chunks out of the chassis but fortunately didn’t destroy the saw in a single blow, and I managed some nibbles from Uplift, so at this point I was happy. Annoyingly the drive motors started clutching AGAIN, so that was very frustrating.
Main takeaways from this fight:

  • Saw worked and actually damaged something. Objective for the day achieved. Time for a beer.

  • It’s really hard to control the saw (driving and turning the saw on/off and moving it). I need to practice or get a co-driver to deal with it, or as @moop suggested maybe program an automated “attack cycle” with a microcontroller.

  • The damn drive broke again, fix the damn drive Sam

Fight 2 - Lumber

By a truly BIZARRE COINCIDENCE in the COMPLETELY RANDOM DRAW, my chainsaw robot, armed with a thing designed to chop up wood, was matched against the robot that was made almost entirely from wood. However, a combination of Rory’s excellent driving and (AGAIN) my motors coming undone meant that I was pushed around and pitted without much comeback.
Main takeaways from this fight:

  • The damn drive broke again, fix the damn drive Sam, really this time I mean it

Fight 3 - Parasite

The robot drove well in this fight and again managed a few scrapes with the saw, but I can’t really take credit for the win as James was having dreadful luck with things overheating all day.
Main takeaways from this fight:

  • I think I fixed the damn drive

Fight 4 - Doubles, with Time 400 Crab, Under the Sunk Cost Fallasea vs Malachite and Variable

@moop & I teamed up for the new doubles event, representing Nottinghack and team galaxy. I didn’t realise the BBB guys (organised as ever) were handing out team tape, so I ran to the car to get the FANCY-ASS SPACE DUCT TAPE and stick it all over our robots before they brought us ours.
The Captain wasn’t quite driving right in this fight, but had a few nibbles with the saw before being flipped over. Unfortunately the belt for the saw actuation is a bit slack and so it slipped before I could self write, and that, as Kenny Florian would say, was all she wrote,
Main takeaways from this fight:

  • I am not so sure I fixed the damn drive
  • Need to be able to self right

Fight 5 - Doubles, with Time 400 Crab, Under the Sunk Cost Fallasea vs Easy Over and Flipperpool

We had the list fight of the day and I was hopeful for some fun and chaotic times, but this was a bit of a damp squib as once again I lost drive a bit and then essentially all the non-crab robots just broke themselves. :rofl:
Still, a win’s a win!
Main takeaways from this fight:

  • Pretty sure I had not fixed the damn drive

Post event
I was in for a surprise when I took the lid off a week later, while stopping off at my folks’ place on the way home from holiday. I was going to drive it around their patio and maybe saw something up, but this is what I found:


Note the HIGHLY UNCONVENTIONAL arrangement of motor and gearbox.

Somehow the right hand motor had just straight up popped out of the gearbox, and played merry hell spinning around until it twisted its own wires to breaking point…

This had done all kinds of heck to the inside of the bot, and it was a miracle it hadn’t actually managed to cut through any wires and potentially short something.

Summary

  • Another great BEVs event
  • Chainsaw works
  • Sam driving the chainsaw doesn’t work
  • Need to fix the drive, really
  • What the hell happened with that motor
  • Make it self right

I’m hoping to get to one or two of the Robodojo events later this year, so I’ll make a few detail improvements for that.

Cheers!

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There was definitely an air of excitement every time the chainsaw fired up!

I think everyone was grateful the drive was unreliable… fix that and its time start bringing the spare HDPE!

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Thought you might appreciate a couple of closeups of the nibbles you left in Uplift…

On the first go (I think before I raised the arm) you got a good 5mm+ down into the HDPE and cut a decent way across it too. Pretty sure you were only stopped by the bolt head getting in the way! I’m definitely bringing spare lifting arms next time :smile:



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Oh wow, that is nasty! You can see how much each tooth was taking out! :scream_cat:

I would be curious to see what happens when it meets a bolt head… I might need to bring some spare chains as well. :smiley:

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Captain Chainway had an outing last weekend at Robodojo (my combat robotics spiritual home). I would say this was the closest I’ve come to getting her dialed in, although there are still some wrinkles to iron out.

First fight was against Chris’s absolutely VICIOUS saw bot, Dabi:

This was a brutal fight, I lost the saw early on while trying to snipe a drive belt but instead hitting the metal shell. It then became a wedging game for me, which went pretty well until I ended up in the pit…
I think I might have had a chance of winning that way but I was so lucky not to take any functional damage in this fight.
I did take a LOT of cosmetic damage and nearly lost my link and both drive belts…

General face reconfiguration:

Whilst getting mangled and losing by driving into the pit were not exactly glorious experiences, I took a lot of positives from this first fight. Chainway was really driving now, thanks to me properly fettling the drive motors. They are just drills but I pulled them to bits, loctited everything, really got the grubscrews bang on and also put some long M6 screws in to clamp the motor and gearbox together. Secondly, everything bar the saw chain had held up flawlessly to the punishment it took, even my slightly flimsy guard over the saw articulation which is mostly PLA-ST with some 2mm HDPE sheet over the top.

The next fight was against Malachite, which is a super good flipper and made mostly out of metal.

This played out much as I feared it would, as the chain fell off again and I was ultimately left inverted. However, drive wise I was still doing fine, although I did lose a motor in this fight.

Round 3 saw me face Colin Scott’s “Dull but Dangerous”, which was running on 3s instead of 6s batteries and hence tending more towards dull.

Since this was a brick of 6mm steel I prioritised fixing the drive for this fight so I didn’t even have the chain back on. DbD barely moved and the main challenge was hoiking it out of the corner so I could pit it. Hopefully it’ll be a bit more dangerous with the right voltage!

My final matchup was against another unarmed wedge in the form of Killionaire Shortbread, which is nominally not that threatening, being made of an old kitchen unit and some old drills, but I was wary since it was being wielded by Rob Weston’s driving skills.

The chain came off AGAIN, so I definitely need to sort it out (KS has a top plate of aluminium or very thin steel). It got a bit scratched up at least…


I lost another motor in this fight, and if it had been smokier I would probably have lost by dint of the match being stopped. However, it went the distance and I scraped the JD.

Overall, really chuffed with the day, and I just made it into the top half (7th out of 14).

Still some things to improve though…

  • The chain has to stay on the bar. I think in part I need to hold the bar more securely (it’s not clamped well enough and so as soon as the chain snags anything resistant it slips, takes the tension off and that’s it. I might also add some guides to help keep it in place as well though, probably just HDPE running against the side of the chain.
  • Fixing the drive problems has just revealed the next drive problem. Now that the drill motor clutches are properly secured, the motors are having to actually shift a 4wd featherweight with what appears to be damn good traction. I don’t really want to go brushless (yet at least) but I’m thinking about swapping the motors for some better 550s (I’ve seen a few people using RC crawler ones and such, if anyone has any tips - advice much appreciated!)

Cheers!

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Loved seeing this thing on Saturday it’s such a cool design & concept :muscle::muscle:

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